medic
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Post by medic on Jun 21, 2011 17:17:17 GMT 8
...To formally organize an airsoft team, that is. We've been going against modern guys (an inevitable fact, as the SSS game showed), and we've been constantly getting whupped. The SSS airsoft team consistently showed discipline and tactical superiority to our get in and shoot type of playing style. I guess getting in gear was the fun factor for us and not so much for the actual shooting game. First of all, we need a formal name for our group. Shall we agree on this first? Previously, 'Dead Soldier's Society' was put forth. How about it?
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labrador
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Post by labrador on Jun 21, 2011 17:30:10 GMT 8
It's been debated before. Truth is, some of our older members were burned out by regular training schedules (infact with some of the guys from the SSS team we played with) and strict team rules so a lot of us (not everyone) preferred to do it for fun. I'm not opposed to training but i think we should adopt it as part of our regular axis vs. allied games.
I think we would lose a lot less games if we adopted some standard practices like line advance in wide intervals (You guys must be getting tired of my exhortations) and bounding overwatch practices. Part of the problem is fitness. You have to be fit to carry out sustained field movements like some of our more fleetfooted compatriots do. I think we can practice these in our everyday games. Me, i think my main problem is blindness from fogged masks and an iressistible urge to go forward to valhalla.
I'm game to try out tactics. Perhaps our more often succesful team mates (hint hint) would do well to offer us advice.
On the other hand, if things get too strict, we may lose the fun factor all together.
BTW. Love the name Dead Soldiers Society.
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Post by mikevictor on Jun 21, 2011 19:27:03 GMT 8
A little bit of tactics won't hurt, IMHO. Let us just make sure that it won't be an obsession (like our gear-collecting, haha). And I vow to increase my fitness (and to buy some volleyball kneepads to help me kneel for cover better)
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Post by jimmiroquai on Jun 21, 2011 19:44:36 GMT 8
Maybe we can start with just the basics. And play it by ear. Usually, i'm one of those who just charges in and plays, but with increasing frequency, i find myself issuing flanking orders and thinking strategically. i guess it wouldn't hurt our game:) Dead Soldiers Society is an excellent name. Though to the moderns, i think we will always be "Team WW2". I wonder when the time will come when we face a rival WW2 team on the field? Hahaha.
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Post by jnmodeller on Jun 21, 2011 23:36:15 GMT 8
i think a little taring during our regular game wont hurt, my main prob is visibility and of course flexibility...right doc? as for the formal name we are already known as "Team WW2" and reenactors every time i meet a modern players and deal with modern sellers, if i say i collect ww2 items they say that there is a ww2 players who has accurate uniforms, and i proudly says "that's us".
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medic
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Post by medic on Jun 22, 2011 9:08:11 GMT 8
Can anyone post links or diagrams of infantry tactics?
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labrador
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Post by labrador on Jun 22, 2011 10:37:24 GMT 8
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Post by malegant on Jun 22, 2011 10:42:00 GMT 8
There is a series of Osprey books on Infantry tactics: 1.) Squad and Platoon 2.) Company & Battalion 3.) Infantry Assault Tactics ...and my favorite: 4.) Airborne Warfare Tactics
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Post by adler2010 on Jun 22, 2011 11:12:35 GMT 8
i would suggest we should have our own tactics, lets have a meeting one day that would focus on that part i would agree with albert and doc as well.
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Post by labrador on Jun 22, 2011 12:08:56 GMT 8
All we have to do is try applying different tactics in games and see which ones work. remember, not all military tactics are applicable to airsoft. Fire suppresion is not as effective since most of our weapons have the same rating as each other so technically there is no distinct tool for fire suppression. All of us have more or less the same ability as a squad MG. We don't have weapons like grenades that help take out hidden pockets of resistance. Military units that have come up against airsoft teams often lose the game because they are trained to regard weapons has fatal whereas airsofters can be more aggressive as they can live to fight another game. I think what we do need to practice is unifying our fireteam movements to make us a more cohesive and effective unit. We need to perfect bounding overwatch movements and team advances instead of being bogged down by defensive fire. I'd particularly like to see if an group rush at intervals towards a defended objective while losing a few squad members can overcome defenses since they can't all concentrate fire at the advancing squad elements. check this out: www.dererstezug.com/SquadFormationsInOpenOrder.htmfor defense missions, we need to integrate overlapping fields of fire and phased withdrawals so we don't all get eliminated piecemeal. We also need to work on a definite set of hand signals since we don't have commo. Not saying any of these will work, but i'd like to try them out. What always comes to mind for me is that scene in band of brothers where the ABN guys get pinned down outside of Carentan by the FJ. They got bogged down because they were not willing to take a few casualties in the advance, and the unit lost aggressiveness. Had they stayed there and not rallied, they would have been picked off eventually. Then again, we could just keep playing like we do and still have fun. hehehe
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Post by jnmodeller on Jun 22, 2011 12:13:11 GMT 8
one thing i notice, they have communications. which i think its one of the main key.
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Post by labrador on Jun 22, 2011 12:21:05 GMT 8
my problem is more "fog of mask" than "fog of war".
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Post by labrador on Jun 22, 2011 13:12:41 GMT 8
may i also add that we do have a couple of members who do have an impressive combat record (you know who you guys are) perhaps they can offer advice or at least analyze our shortcomings.
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Post by drevil on Jun 22, 2011 16:00:39 GMT 8
A cautionary note: my previous airsoft team tried to "train up" to be more competitive (i.e., to win more often). Things got too hard core for some folks, and the team splintered, most unhappily. Especially over the issue of playing to win vs playing for fun.
Having said that, I'm quite game for a bit of training. I have a file of US Army hand signals in a hard drive somewhere...
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Post by labrador on Jun 23, 2011 10:16:04 GMT 8
I say the hardcore guys can do hardcore training as a group if they like. The ones not so inclined just have to learn some basic fighting drills. That way, we can divide operations into skirmishers and grunts and still be an effective unit.
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