Azul Division

[DAN SAN]

planning an early war impression.... ESPANA- AZUL DIVICION.

[kalbs]

Oct 10, 2010 14:02:08 GMT 8 DAN SAN said:

planning an early war impression.... ESPANA- AZUL DIVICION.

That would be unique

[labrador]

Panzerfront, i'll join you with this one. Do you want me to order España patches from phil or do we make our own?

[DAN SAN]

Oct 10, 2010 18:59:13 GMT 8 labrador said:

Panzerfront, i'll join you with this one. Do you want me to order España patches from phil or do we make our own?

@kalbs, ja! we are thinking about it.. with the help of manny lazarro he said that there are some 80 or more filipinos volunteered in francos forces during the civil war.. and most of francos forces are intergrated to wh during the spanish civil war. and the helmet decal is cool also.hehe

@albert. if we order how much would it be in pesos? donn and maybe mike nuts baliwag wound join.

[labrador]

I'll check. I seriously doubt any filipinos actually served in the blue division though. Filipinos definitely served with Franco's forces during the Civil War. The memorial at Club Filipino-España proves it. but to assume that they may have served with Division azul is a bit of a stretch. Still, better chance of that than of having served with regular wehrmacht or the waffen SS.

I mean there's a tiny tiny chance so i wouldn't assume it. Remember also, the Condor Legion was only a tiny part of Franco's forces during the civil war providing airforce and armor advisors and combat personnel only.
I believe as far as infantry was concerned, the germans only provided advisors. Still, better chance of one being with spanish volunteers than with anyone else, right?

For a correct Blau Division impression, we have to keep in mind that the volunteers returned to spain in 1942-43. So an early to mid war impression would be correct. Most probably M36 uniforms. I wonder about the boots. I hope i can find pictorial evidence of short boots and gamaschen being used.

But in any case, that would be a good chance for me to finally complete a Whermacht impression. I think patches from phil cost only about 8-10 dollars so it's probably more expensive to have a limited set done here. Let's order?

[mikevictor]

Sir, would it be okay if I ordered patches with you, even if it's not for the Spanish Division?

I'm setting up an FJ loadout haha .

[medic]

I think I'll watch my dvd of 'For Whom The Bell Tolls' again. I distinctly remember the Spanish forces wearing german helmets. I might join you for the patches.

[labrador]

Ok. lets pool the orders soon please post a new thread at the black market forum...orders for phil's militaria. If were able to total it by tomorrow, i'll be able to send them to my mom in law.

[DAN SAN]

Oct 11, 2010 8:34:01 GMT 8 labrador said:

I'll check. I seriously doubt any filipinos actually served in the blue division though. Filipinos definitely served with Franco's forces during the Civil War. The memorial at Club Filipino-España proves it. but to assume that they may have served with Division azul is a bit of a stretch. Still, better chance of that than of having served with regular wehrmacht or the waffen SS.

I mean there's a tiny tiny chance so i wouldn't assume it. Remember also, the Condor Legion was only a tiny part of Franco's forces during the civil war providing airforce and armor advisors and combat personnel only.
I believe as far as infantry was concerned, the germans only provided advisors. Still, better chance of one being with spanish volunteers than with anyone else, right?

For a correct Blau Division impression, we have to keep in mind that the volunteers returned to spain in 1942-43. So an early to mid war impression would be correct. Most probably M36 uniforms. I wonder about the boots. I hope i can find pictorial evidence of short boots and gamaschen being used.

But in any case, that would be a good chance for me to finally complete a Whermacht impression. I think patches from phil cost only about 8-10 dollars so it's probably more expensive to have a limited set done here. Let's order?

im done with my turkistan impression... im go for the spanish azul division. donn for sure would go for the patch also.

[DAN SAN]

read this info awhile ago just some parts where spanish pinoy mistizos...

the link is

www.florentinorodao.com/scholarly/sch95b.htm

Falange Movement in the Philippines.

The supposed collaboration of the Falange in the Philippines with the Axis for Germany's victory in the conflict appears to be even less documented. A book published in English and Spanish during the war, Falange, The Secret Army of the Axis in the Americas, by an American journalist, Allan Chase, remains up to the present as the major source of information about the topic. Although the book has no footnotes, it shows a profound knowledge of the situation; this fact, as well as his vagueness when referring to his sources of information, suggests that a lot of data he received came from American intelligence, that had long watched the Spanish community. Obviously, among the stuff supposed to be provided to Chase there had to be some true data.


In Chase's book, the Falange in the Philippines is said to have been led by the Nazi agent for German expansion in Latin- America, General von Faupel, who presumably sent secret orders to Castaño. Among these orders was one instructing their partisans to infiltrate the Civilian Emergency Administration with the end in view of weakening American strength and thus facilitating the Japanese advance. No proof was found after the war about this nor for any of the other accusations made against the Falange, as shown in a report of the 37th Combat Detachment, one of the first CIC units to enter Manila and neither through the documentation in Spain can be traced such orders from German agents. As for some data that could corroborate the possibility of such a nexus Falangist-Nazis in the Philippines, we can only speculate that there was a growing nervousness among the Falangists after the German attack of the Soviet Union in the spring of 1941. As an example, in the month of July, Castaño received, as did the rest of the provincial Falangists heads, an order from his superiors in the Falange to create a school of propagandists or "Falange Missionaries", as well as to culminate the process of control over the Spanish community by not submitting the proper official documents of the Consulate, like passports, "to those who don't show the receipt for fees (to the Falange).



some info stated some conscripts from francos forces alleged is the group of andres soriano joined the wh. they dont want to join the radical nazi "waffen ss" they will only fight against communism. hhhmm... interesting.

[DAN SAN]

if the order by franco to return to spain by 1943.. maybe some soldats of the azul wearing some lowcut boots..

[kalbs]

Post all Azul divison in this thread

[DAN SAN]

@kalbs, copy that sir!