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Post by darktide on Oct 3, 2009 18:24:09 GMT 8
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Post by kalbs on Oct 3, 2009 19:06:51 GMT 8
1. The top if I recall is a M29C Weasel, I had a Monagram Model when I was kid
2. the second a Chinese type 63 no idea.. of this model number with the rockets
3. Captured Japanese Type-97 pressed into China service
4. Chinese version of the T-55 called the T-59
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Post by OneZero on Oct 4, 2009 0:35:47 GMT 8
1. The top if I recall is a M29C Weasel, I had a Monagram Model when I was kid And beside the M29C Weasel is the M24 Chaffee light tank. i had a 1:76 model of this when i was a kid too.   |
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Post by mikevictor on Oct 10, 2009 18:11:58 GMT 8
The tank beside the M4A3E8 (Easy Eight) Medium is the M26 Pershing, if I'm not mistaken. Interestingly enough, it was reclassified as a medium tank after the war.
I'm kinda surprised because it's the first pic I saw of a Sherman and a Pershing side by side and it looks like the Pershing was lower than the Sherman.
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Post by aggie09 on Oct 31, 2009 14:14:20 GMT 8
A lot of US weapons were sold to China in WWII and captured by the Communist Chinese during the Civil War of 1945-49.
3rd and 7th pictures are Japanese tanks left behind when the Japanese surrendered. I believe these were given to the Communists by the Soviets when they received these as prize of wars. I can't remember the names though.
It is quite interesting that the Americans lost these tanks...
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 2, 2009 14:24:17 GMT 8
darktide... the captions in the ax#11 is wrong for the pershing tank..it was captioned as m43 walker bulldog and not m26apershing..
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Post by kalbs on Nov 2, 2009 19:42:43 GMT 8
Walker Bulldog is an M41? The M43 was a 155mm Howitzer mounted on an M4A3E8 sherman chassis. The Howitzer shown in Darktides photos are also an "M41" but a Howitzer Motor Carriage "Gorilla"
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 3, 2009 10:49:27 GMT 8
correct on that sir it should be m41 walker bulldog named to a famous military general they call bulldog.
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Post by darktide on Nov 3, 2009 12:17:09 GMT 8
Actually, AX #11 got some of the captions mixed up or wrong... The mistake wasn't mine. The Type 63 AFV says "Amphibious tracked vehicles". That caption was for the pic of the M29C Weasel, which I also sent them but it didn't come out. The "Captured tank from UN Forces during the Korean War" has a red star on the side of the turret.
"Captured artillery equipment from Korean KMT forces"? KMT weren't Korean...
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 3, 2009 13:00:35 GMT 8
hope they can fix that on the next ax issue.. but its really cool to see all of the collection in one place specially to that chi-ha tank... thats a wow! good addtion for a project for scale modellers for the tamiya 1/35th kit.hehe
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Post by darktide on Nov 3, 2009 15:43:21 GMT 8
hope they can fix that on the next ax issue.. but its really cool to see all of the collection in one place specially to that chi-ha tank... thats a wow! good addtion for a project for scale modellers for the tamiya 1/35th kit.hehe If you think the Beijing Military Museum is cool you should visit the Panjiayuan Antique Market, only open on weekends, also in Beijing. Lots of old stuff... Chinese military uniforms from WW2 and the KMT wars (they were a weird yellowish color, like that used by the 8th Route Army in WW2), the OD uniform with the red collar tabs (the uniforms were cheap, around Php 1K), military issue leather belts and leather cartridge pouches, wooden stocks for pistols with their leather carry cases (like the ones for the Mauser broomhandle), Helmets (German, Japanese, American, Chinese). Just about everything (I got a PLA issue AK chest rig for Php 140.00). I got the ticket to Beijing on a PAL promo. It was Php 7K, round trip. Food is cheap there. |
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Post by bravotwozero on Nov 6, 2009 1:38:31 GMT 8
Because of my wife's art classes, I've been visiting several museum lately but nothing as awesome as these. I would love to see all these tanks up close and to be able to take detail shots. It would be interesting to visit the Panjiayuan Antique Market but I'm afraid of the impace on the wallet.  |
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Post by aggie09 on Nov 6, 2009 13:34:39 GMT 8
correct on that sir it should be m41 walker bulldog named to a famous military general they call bulldog. Actually the M41 Bulldog was the original name of the light tank. They added Gen. Walker's name to it to honor him because he was KIA during the Korean War. |
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Post by aggie09 on Nov 6, 2009 13:45:11 GMT 8
If you think the Beijing Military Museum is cool you should visit the Panjiayuan Antique Market, only open on weekends, also in Beijing. Lots of old stuff... Chinese military uniforms from WW2 and the KMT wars (they were a weird yellowish color, like that used by the 8th Route Army in WW2), the OD uniform with the red collar tabs (the uniforms were cheap, around Php 1K), military issue leather belts and leather cartridge pouches, wooden stocks for pistols with their leather carry cases (like the ones for the Mauser broomhandle), Helmets (German, Japanese, American, Chinese). Just about everything (I got a PLA issue AK chest rig for Php 140.00). I got the ticket to Beijing on a PAL promo. It was Php 7K, round trip. Food is cheap there. I gurantee you that anything of "WWII" from China is fake. Plus it is not "KMT wars" it is the Chinese Civil War. Remember China makes a lot of counterfeits/fakes from DVDs, major clothing brands, old coins, militaria, even airsoft guns ("clones" are just basically counterfeits of Tokyo Marui and other companies). Anything of the Nationalist (KMT) WWII would be worth big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and, yes that much. Plus if you owned anything of the Nationalist, even a button with the 12 pointed sun symbol, you would have probably been arrested and "re-educated" during the Civil War era of 1946-49 and Cultural Revolution. Today, there are many people in China who collect Chinese WWII Nationalist militaria as the restrictions has been removed over the years (mostly to appease and attempt reunification with Taiwan). Since during my research of the Chinese National Revolutionary Army (precursor to the Republic of China Army) during WWII of about two years, I have never seen one real uniform. The closest I have seen is probably Chiang Kai-shek's uniform in Taiwan. I read a quote that was interested to me: "if you want to find of any historic artifact of China, you will have to search outside of China" (doesn't really apply to ancient stuff, since you can find them in the ground today, mostly modern, maybe you can find it in the ground too, but rusted and such). |
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Post by darktide on Nov 6, 2009 14:53:11 GMT 8
If you think the Beijing Military Museum is cool you should visit the Panjiayuan Antique Market, only open on weekends, also in Beijing. Lots of old stuff... Chinese military uniforms from WW2 and the KMT wars (they were a weird yellowish color, like that used by the 8th Route Army in WW2), the OD uniform with the red collar tabs (the uniforms were cheap, around Php 1K), military issue leather belts and leather cartridge pouches, wooden stocks for pistols with their leather carry cases (like the ones for the Mauser broomhandle), Helmets (German, Japanese, American, Chinese). Just about everything (I got a PLA issue AK chest rig for Php 140.00). I got the ticket to Beijing on a PAL promo. It was Php 7K, round trip. Food is cheap there. I gurantee you that anything of "WWII" from China is fake. Plus it is not "KMT wars" it is the Chinese Civil War. Remember China makes a lot of counterfeits/fakes from DVDs, major clothing brands, old coins, militaria, even airsoft guns ("clones" are just basically counterfeits of Tokyo Marui and other companies). Anything of the Nationalist (KMT) WWII would be worth big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and, yes that much. Plus if you owned anything of the Nationalist, even a button with the 12 pointed sun symbol, you would have probably been arrested and "re-educated" during the Civil War era of 1946-49 and Cultural Revolution. Today, there are many people in China who collect Chinese WWII Nationalist militaria as the restrictions has been removed over the years (mostly to appease and attempt reunification with Taiwan). Since during my research of the Chinese National Revolutionary Army (precursor to the Republic of China Army) during WWII of about two years, I have never seen one real uniform. The closest I have seen is probably Chiang Kai-shek's uniform in Taiwan. I read a quote that was interested to me: "if you want to find of any historic artifact of China, you will have to search outside of China" (doesn't really apply to ancient stuff, since you can find them in the ground today, mostly modern, maybe you can find it in the ground too, but rusted and such). Sorry, but I have to disagree... I have read the same warning quote and others like it in several travel guidebooks (Lonely Planet, Frommers and others) and this warning basically refers to coins, ancient-looking repro weapons, furniture, Mao memorabilia/ collectibles, basically things to display around the house. I seriously doubt that the authors of those segments in the travel guidebooks could tell a real uniform from a fake, or a real helmet from a fake, for that matter. When I was in Beijing I would spend some time in my hotel room watching Chinese TV shows, even if could not understand anything. I did this because a lot of the shows were military in nature (WW2, Chinese Civil War) and I wanted to familiarize myself with which uniforms and items of equipment were worn together, and during which specific periods in history, so that I would know what to buy if I saw it and how it was worn. As I stated in an earlier post, I saw German, Japanese and US helmets at Panjiayuan. One of my pet peeves is that I collect helmets (some of them are posted here) and I can tell you that those were not fakes. I actually handled several items of equipment at Panjiayuan and I am pretty sure that the stuff was real. Now if you want a Mongolian bow, quiver and arrows, you can get that there too, but of course it will be fake/ repro. That's a different story. I have seen the uniforms used by the 8th Route Army and lots of other Chinese uniforms at the Beijing Military Museum. I have seen similar ones at Panjiayuan. They aren't new, some are actually really faded and in bad shape while I would consider others "usable". They had uniforms and items of equipment from different years there. While Panjiayuan sells mostly stuff for the tourist trade they do have militaria from various periods of Chinese history, and certainly not fake. There are about 2 or 3 stalls there that sell only uniforms/ caps and belts. That's it. Other stalls sell equipment. I saw a lady selling a German M35 helmet that was mixed in with some home decor/ repro stuff spread out on a blanket with the rest of the stuff she was selling. It was the only militaria thing she had. I'm not a student of Chinese history... I just like their military stuff. And yes, they also had pins and some stuff with the Nationalist star on them. Not a lot, but they were there. I would be careful about making sweeping generalizations that ALL WW2 stuff from China is fake. Just curious... Have you ever been to the Beijing Military Museum and seen the real WW2 uniforms and equipment there or to Panjiayuan? |
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