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Post by kalbs on Sept 29, 2009 20:40:32 GMT 8
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Post by DAN SAN on Oct 31, 2009 13:58:19 GMT 8
just updating this page so our guest will be inspired..hehe.. these smocks would work for the central russian volunteers.. w-ss turkistan. except for the italian..
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Post by kalbs on Oct 31, 2009 18:07:06 GMT 8
You mean 13th Waffen SS Mountain? They were from the Balkan region like Croatia, they wore the Blurred Edge Mint and Plain Tree Blurred edge. All were the Type-2 (M42) second pattern smocks.    |
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 2, 2009 13:56:05 GMT 8
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Post by kalbs on Nov 2, 2009 15:20:47 GMT 8
Ahh, I see mein herr... That SS guy is wearing an Oak Pattern zehltbann in the art...and two watches? Something I need to read up on but what I've read so far, not a stellar history for these boys.   |
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Post by labrador on Nov 2, 2009 23:57:01 GMT 8
Good evening!
this is albert labrador. Just registered after lurking for an eternity. first of all great info! First time i've seen color plates of the ostturkisher unit. I know this has swung way off topic but another non caucasian unit that's available for us to represent is the sonderverband zbv 288. Pictures show an arab (probably mostly iraqi) manned unit with german officers dressed in standard luftwaffe tropen gear and a few kitted out as fallschirmjager. Who knows, maybe some were equipped with W-SS tarnjacke ( to keep things on topic heheheh) like HG but its a long shot. another option for SS reenactors would be to blacken our faces like HJ did in normandy. Last option would be to use the winter face mask now available from hiki. Hi guys! love this site.
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Post by labrador on Nov 3, 2009 0:08:33 GMT 8
n October 20, 1944 the rest of the Ostmuslemanische SS-Regiment was transferred from Ukraine to Slovakia and renamed "Osttürkischen Waffen-Verbände der SS" and reorganized into 3 battalions organized along ethnic lines.
1 Waffengruppe Turkestan
1 Waffengruppe Aserbeidschan (2851 soldiers : Gerhard von Mende archives)
1 Waffengruppe Idel-Ural
Each battalion would consist of staff, one staff company and five infantry companies. The Ostmuselmanisch regiment was integrated into the Osttürkischen Waffen-Verbände der SS and was considered to be dissolved. In December 1944 The Waffen-Gruppe Aserbeidschan (commander W-Ostuf Kerrar Alesgerli) was transferred to the Kaukasicher WaffenVerbände der SS. The disbanded Tatar Waffen Gebirgs Brigade der SS would replace the Azerbaijani soldiers; Commander: SS-Standartenführer Harun-el-Raschid-Bey. (Wilhelm Hintersatz (A former Austrian officer who had converted to Islam. [11]) The reorganisations began in January 1945 as follows:
SS-Waffengruppe Turkestan SS-Waffengruppe Krim SS-Waffengruppe Idel Urals
Apparently new “volunteers” were integrated, because the Osttürkischen Waffen-Verbände had increased from 5,000 men in January 1945 to 8,500 men in the period of February-May 1945. As Hitler's Reich crumbled, the Waffen-SS gave up all adherence of standards for recruit selection. If they could walk and shoot a rifle, they were good enough for the SS. At this time all German military forces were scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel - for example in January 1945, Heer and Waffen-SS recruiting centers were combined. Waffen-SS troops were increasingly transfers from other military branches of the Wehrmacht from paramilitary and labor formations.[12] The whole unit arrived in March 1945 in Merate, 20 km north of Milan, northern Italy. Assigned to the defense of the area, the Osttürkischen Waffen-Verbände apparently participated in no larger operation against partisans. On the 26 April 1945 Hintersatz signed a pact with the local partisan command, according to which the soldiers would remain in the barracks in Merate, until the US troops arrived. This happened on 30 April 1945, the whole unit went into the hands of the 1st Armored Division (United States)
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Post by labrador on Nov 3, 2009 0:13:16 GMT 8
Dan! the color plate is amazing. where did you get it?
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 3, 2009 10:31:18 GMT 8
@sir albert, danke for the info and background history... the plates came from google.. me and donn fernandez the highlander are almost complete..if you want you can join us on 8nov i could give you a patch for the turkistan sleeve patch.. ill phone you for details.
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Post by kalbs on Nov 3, 2009 10:38:35 GMT 8
This will be cool, I've never seen anyone reenact this unit.
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Post by jnmodeller on Nov 6, 2009 9:42:23 GMT 8
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 6, 2009 16:52:25 GMT 8
jnmodeller...very nice website. thou the militaria model looks better on the uniform than the guy they have here on the site.hehe.
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Post by labrador on Nov 6, 2009 22:47:50 GMT 8
A little bit older than the average landser...an alte. then again I'm getting old myself.
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Post by DAN SAN on Nov 7, 2009 14:57:36 GMT 8
A little bit older than the average landser...an alte. then again I'm getting old myself. hehe.. dont worry herr katze, im counting my wrinkles already.. hehehe ;D youre not alone.  ;D ;D |
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Post by hughdotoh on Dec 15, 2009 8:40:29 GMT 8
Hello gents,
Thanks to Dan's research, non-Teutons like us can play feldgrau without fuss.
Gear will always be hard to come by, but the ex-Red Army units of the WH and SS were routinely issued back their Red Army gear, with the appropriate WH, WSS, or even ROA patches.
I have some old 'Net research of Heer Uzbeks with Russian-cut uniforms but with the Adler on the chest, and wearing M42 helms, but otherwise everything else was Red Army including the Nagant rifles.
Yep, it was a crazy enough war. But well worth the harmless posing.
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