second level kromphgruppe.

[DAN SAN]

........... well, im satisfied with my oakleaf b smock oakleaf A helm cover a bread bag,kar98k and pouches.. tunic is a 1943 tropical type... i can fit anywhere. as long as i have the waffen-ss markings on my uniform...

[bathala]

as testament to the past dec 6 photo shoot the ss and wehrmacht complemented each other.
even if we do not make 1 unit it is best to atleast do a impression that compliments a campain like
operation market garden , arheim etc.

[Waffen Ryan]

Kampfgruppe44, late war group.

A mixed uniform is OK, maybe it's better if we have the same feldgrau tunic.

For the SS Division, it's easy to plan but too complicated to execute. We must be historically correct, and this is quite hard for the most of us. A simple badge is hard to acquire, also, we must have the correct gear in this era...1944. Also, I think a Freiwilligen Div. is much better for us to copy than a pure Germanic Division. We're in the transition of Airsofters going to Impressionist/Re-enactors, we need to be more correct in our approach. Tough SS divisions are the hated ones, sounds cool but not appropriate for us. A generic SS outfit circa 44 is a good start, then we transition to a Freiwilligen gruppe, maybe like the Indo-SS of the Nederland Div.

Rank collartabs is a good idea too.

Just my two cents.

[labrador]

I think safest would be both collar tabs black and then no cuff band. Dull but still historically correct and generic enough not to be connected to any one unit. But i'll go with whatever everyone decides. When playing airsoft, i just ditchthe tunic and wear the smock over the undershirt. Also still historically correct and a whole lot cooler.

[DAN SAN]

Freiwilligen gruppe..much better.. if we ARE going to be the hard pressed 1,2,3 divisions of the ss.. man everyone is watching.. we dont have the four inch long nose to come along with that..particular totenkopf and LAH. even the freewill troops are being mock by the more teutonic once.

[hughdotoh]

Personally, it would be nice to have some unit ID that identifies a WSS Asiatic unit. Lots of historical proof there.

[labrador]

I guess we put it to a vote then...for the feld grau anyway. Pints are:

1. Generic: Just the waffen SS look. Black collar tabs (used by non"germanic" units) and by some german units as well, No cuffbands - anyway, many units did not wear them.

2. Legion Nederland. Photographic Evidence of 1 malay man serving. Wolfsangel Collar patch and nederland shield on the left arm. There couldn't have been many indonesians...perhaps one only but why not? Some dutch units performed very well but the landsturm's performance at arnhem was dismal

3. Asiatic SS units, Not a great combat record but at least authentic looking. Mixture of WH, Foreign Legion, and W SS uniforms. We have to settle on a definite unit. Turkistan patch already available from Dan. Wolfs head collar patch looks nice. and it'll certainly make for interesting pictures.

4. Elite SS divisions...great combat record, horrible human rights record unless you're reenacting hohenstaufen or frundsberg but we definitely don't look the part...the japanses reenactors don't seem to mind but they have a lot of fun

If you notice, the HK guys shoot angles where facial features don't really count too much.

[kalbs]

Dec 19, 2009 12:45:15 GMT 8 labrador said:

If you notice, the HK guys shoot angles where facial features don't really count too much.

Bingo!

Do the unit you want. Not that I have a vote but I would just keep it SS with the ruin tabs, common to most SS units

[jimmiroquai]

Any votes out there for wehrmacht heer? hehe.

I'd go for generic SS. With the rune and the rank. Maybe we could do the ranking by age? hehe. I guess i'm still more of an airsofter than a reenactor, so accuracy doesn't bother me as much. I'd even be for a "Kampfgruppe44" or even a "WW2 Asia Airsoft" cuff title. Haha. But i'd go with what the majority wants. Just my two cents. (Go wehrmacht heer! hehehe)

[bathala]

yse thats a great idea! lest just use the cufftitle "Kampfgruppe44". its our own and wouldnt be offensive atleast or trying hard.

[Waffen Ryan]

Let's make our own cufftitle, Kampfgruppe44...we're doing this for fun, right? why not make the most of it. Cufftitle in Latin since we're doing late war impression.

Also an idea me and Raja talked over the phone, let's make our own shield...Filipinische Freiwilligen der Waffen SS. Again, not historically correct but for fun's sake. Who cares, we're not aryans anyway. ;D

Just a sample, we can copy the style of this patch.

Colors will be the national color of the Philippines, Blue, White, Red, with the 3 stars and the sun in the middle. And above it the word Philippinen or Filipinische.

Again, for photoshoots, the cufftitles and shield should not be exposed if we are doing serious impressions.

Let's keep this thing FUN for us.

[bathala]

olso a good idea for the shield is the philippines merlion! lets make tis aour own guys!

[jnmodeller]

My suggestion is to have both, 1) an accurate one which we can complete it slowly when ever budget permits. to be use for serious photo shot. 2) our own design of patches for those who just like or feel to have fun with out the pressure of doing the right impression, having two options we can welcome both serious collectors and guys just like to wear German uniforms and also easy for the newbie and those who want to joint and just feel to wear a German uniform, as waffen says we're not Aryans, ops my son has a German blood on his grandma mother side ;D

[Waffen Ryan]

I agree JN.

Well, since Kampfgruppe44 is actually an airsoft WW2 German group...this shouldn't be an issue of correctness.

If we consider ourselves Reenactors, then let's be more precise in reenacting. This is the time we should wear the correct gear and reenact the correct unit or regiment.

For photoshoots, we can do both. No pressure especially for the new recruits.